Yesterday the New York Times scored an exclusive interview with Donald Trump, and they’ve got a partial transcript up. Trump said some interesting stuff during the interview. For example, he defended Bill O’Reilly from the sexual assault allegations he’s currently facing, and said Susan Rice had committed a crime (she has not). But the thing that really caught my attention was this.
MAGGIE HABERMAN, White House correspondent: Seems like it’s actually not been a terrible process for [Judge Neil M.] Gorsuch, right? I mean, it’s been pretty smooth.
PRESIDENT TRUMP: It’s never an easy process. I think it’s been very smooth considering there’s tremendous hostility on the other side. I think it’s been pretty smooth.
HABERMAN: You talk to Democrats privately that will admit —
TRUMP: I do.
HABERMAN: But do they admit to you that they don’t actually have a huge objection to Gorsuch, they think that he’s probably —
TRUMP: They do. They admit that.
HABERMAN: Right. In private.
TRUMP: Elijah Cummings [a Democratic representative from Maryland] was in my office and he said, “You will go down as one of the great presidents in the history of our country.”
TRUMP: And then he went out and I watched him on television yesterday and I said, “Was that the same man?”
I have an extremely difficult time convincing myself that this actually happened.
Rep. Elijah Cummings is the guy who said, “In a way [Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.] would be pleased to have seen the first African-American elected president, to have seen many doors opened for people like me and others who now have opportunities that would not have had them back then. But at the same time, when we see a guy like Bannon, who is, as far as I’m concerned, a white supremacist-type person, sitting in the White House — sitting in the White House — and I’m paying his salary, I think he would be very disappointed.”
Rep. Elijah Cummings called for an investigation into Devin Nunes.
Rep. Elijah Cummings is on the House Oversight Committee helping to investigate Michael Flynn.
This man does not strike me as a big fan of Trump, and I can’t believe he told Trump that he was going to be a historically great president.
Which leaves us with, I think, a very pertinent question: Does Trump know he was lying? I mean, obviously he made that up, but does he know he made it up?
Because if he does, he’s just an egregious liar, which is one thing. If he doesn’t, however, then he’s delusional, and I feel like that’s a thing we need to know.
EDITED TO ADD: Here we go. On CNN today, Rep. Cummings said, “During my meeting with the President and on several occasions since then, I have said repeatedly that he could be a great president if … IF … he takes steps to truly represent ALL Americans rather than continuing on the divisive and harmful path he is currently on.”
Which, notably, is not at all what Trump seems to have heard. I’m leaning a bit more towards “delusional” here, guys.